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Jocko Willink and the New Rules of War: Putin, Gaza, and America’s Fall | PT 2
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Picking up where part one left off, Tom Bilyeu and Jocko Willink continue their far-reaching conversation, diving even deeper into the foundations of leadership, cultural transformation, and the surprising optimism Jocko sees for America’s youth. Jocko shares behind-the-scenes stories about translating hard-won military discipline into bestselling children’s books and a soon-to-be-released feature film—highlighting his belief that storytelling is a critical weapon for shaping culture and values.
The dialogue expands to explore the realities of military and corporate leadership, the dangers of arrogance and ego within teams, and the mechanics of power in both politics and business. Tom and Jocko dissect the process behind leadership development, examine the “Machiavellian” truths of power dynamics, and reflect on the lived realities of command in combat. Listeners will gain fresh perspectives on humility, accountability, and what it truly means to step up as a leader—both in war and everyday life.
SHOWNOTES
27:48 Jocko’s Cultural Optimism—Why America’s Next Generation Will Thrive30:35 The Reality Behind Grit, Hard Work, and Unsung Heroes33:21 Warrior Kid Podcast, Working with Kids, and Building a Brand That Resonates35:23 Jocko’s Creative Side—Music, Art, and the Story Behind the Warrior Kid Movie38:38 From Book to Film: How Jocko’s Storyland Became a Feature Starring Chris Pratt46:16 The Mind of a Warrior-Writer: Capturing and Processing the Chaos of Combat54:52 The Limits of Memory: Why Jocko Didn't Journal at War & His Singular Focus57:33 What Makes Great Leaders? Comparing Politics, Military, and Corporate Worlds59:40 Power, Ego, and the Real Chain of Command1:04:12 Leadership Factories, Promotions, and Avoiding the Trap of Incompetence1:11:06 How Teams Survive “Dumb” or Egotistical Leaders1:13:22 The Role of Ego—Why Teams Self-Destruct Under Bad Leadership1:15:22 Building Alliances—Managing Hostile Environments in High-Stakes Roles1:20:13 Machiavellian Truths and Staying Positive When Facing Dark Realities1:24:03 How to Find & Connect with Jocko Willink
CONNECT WITH JOCKO WILLINKInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jockowillink/Twitter: https://twitter.com/jockowillinkYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JockoPodcastWebsite: https://jocko.com
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The dialogue expands to explore the realities of military and corporate leadership, the dangers of arrogance and ego within teams, and the mechanics of power in both politics and business. Tom and Jocko dissect the process behind leadership development, examine the “Machiavellian” truths of power dynamics, and reflect on the lived realities of command in combat. Listeners will gain fresh perspectives on humility, accountability, and what it truly means to step up as a leader—both in war and everyday life.
SHOWNOTES
27:48 Jocko’s Cultural Optimism—Why America’s Next Generation Will Thrive30:35 The Reality Behind Grit, Hard Work, and Unsung Heroes33:21 Warrior Kid Podcast, Working with Kids, and Building a Brand That Resonates35:23 Jocko’s Creative Side—Music, Art, and the Story Behind the Warrior Kid Movie38:38 From Book to Film: How Jocko’s Storyland Became a Feature Starring Chris Pratt46:16 The Mind of a Warrior-Writer: Capturing and Processing the Chaos of Combat54:52 The Limits of Memory: Why Jocko Didn't Journal at War & His Singular Focus57:33 What Makes Great Leaders? Comparing Politics, Military, and Corporate Worlds59:40 Power, Ego, and the Real Chain of Command1:04:12 Leadership Factories, Promotions, and Avoiding the Trap of Incompetence1:11:06 How Teams Survive “Dumb” or Egotistical Leaders1:13:22 The Role of Ego—Why Teams Self-Destruct Under Bad Leadership1:15:22 Building Alliances—Managing Hostile Environments in High-Stakes Roles1:20:13 Machiavellian Truths and Staying Positive When Facing Dark Realities1:24:03 How to Find & Connect with Jocko Willink
CONNECT WITH JOCKO WILLINKInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jockowillink/Twitter: https://twitter.com/jockowillinkYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JockoPodcastWebsite: https://jocko.com
CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS
Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out
ButcherBox: New users that sign up for ButcherBox will receive their choice between steak tips, salmon, or chicken breast in every box for a year + $20 off their first box at https://butcherbox.com/impact
Monarch Money: Use code THEORY at https://monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year!
Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact
iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACTGO when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu
Jerry: Stop needlessly overpaying for car insurance - download the Jerry app or head to https://jerry.ai/impact
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- Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
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- 2025
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