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Not Even Mad: Galen Druke and Josh Barrow

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Today on The Gist: It’s Not Even Mad. Mike Pesca welcomes Galen Druke and Josh Barrow for a sharp yet civil debate on Trump’s immigration strategy, crime, and the charge of creeping autocracy. They weigh whether cruelty brings Trump political advantage, how Democrats should frame their response, and what “autocracy makes you poor” really means for voters. Plus, Mike spotlights where polls mislead, why midterms punish incumbents, and why branding matters as much as policy.

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The Gist
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The Gist
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2025
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